A Few Questions
Jul 29th, 2009 by pedestrian
Kahrizak Detention Facility has now been closed or is going to be closed for “not meeting standards”.
Thanks. But just a few questions:
1. What does “nonstandard” mean? What’s been going on in there?
2. Who was running this place?
3. What will happen to him (or them)? What sort of treatment are they going to get?
4. Who’s going to give back the lost rights of those who were locked in there?
5. Why now? Hasn’t anyone known of that place until now?
6. Is Kahrizak the only “nonstandard” place?
7. For forty days, the prisoners have been cooped up in that place, their basic rights have been trampled, and from what we’ve heard, they have been tortured. Is this the work of “mentally stable” people?
8. Would you consider the martyrdom of our children in prisons “standard”?
9. Would you consider the treatment prisoners in other prisons are receiving “standard”?
10. Would you consider a clueless judiciary and even intelligence ministry “standard”?
11. Would you consider the brutal treatment of protesters in this city “standard”?
12. Considering that the protests were peaceful, would the great number of deaths be considered “standard”?
13. Would you consider the lies told by the likes of Firouzabadi [the chief of the Supreme Command Council of the Armed Forces pictured above with Ahmadinejad] and others who claim not one bullet was shot “standard”?
14. Would the treatment Hajjarian is getting be in tune with the lowest of human standards?
15. Would you consider the extreme pressures put on the grieving families and the money they are forced to pay for the bodies “standard”?
16. Are the beating batons standard?
17. Are such great number of protesters in prison “standard”?
18. Would the brutal torture prisoners in other prisons have had to go through be considered “standard”?
19. Are the lies we’re hearing these days be considered “standard”?
If this is legitimate, standard governance, than what is the nonstandard kind? I can not believe this. I had slightly believed in their lack of conscience or scruples or kindness, but I never imagined it would be of this proportion. I never wanted to see even my worst enemy this vulgar, violent and far from any human standard. I wish this was only but a dream. I wish this was only but a nightmare. I just wish that those who blindly follow this crowd will open their eyes. I wish there was good judgment at play here. I wish …
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From Mowjcamp
You are the best my friend
keep on this great job you are doing
Time to close the biggest prison of them all – IRI.
Jail break!
So you mean, we should imprison Montazeri, Sanei, Khatami, Mousavi, Karoubi … everybody?
I beg to differ.
Velayat-e Faqih, in my opinion, is the blueprint for a paternalistic prison. The only wiggle room is whether it’s a maximum or minimum detention center. Ahmadi, Khamenei and Co. champion the former, the group you list, support the latter.
I don’t think there’s anything worth defending in a system that views people as cattle that need to be managed by clerical oligarchs.
By the way, that was not what I was “implying” at all. In fact, I wasn’t implying anything. The statement was quite explicit. The Islamic Republic of Iran is the biggest prison of all.
Well, I don’t find the clerics hot, cute or valuable, but I don’t want to see an erupt, violent end to the Islamic Republic of Iran having lived under their rule for a great many years.
One side (Ahmadi) are the clear fascists … the other side, is loose and quite vague about their stand. But they’re not fascists. Or, more specifically, they are ex-fascists, they have come a long way, and I think that’s a great (and painful) part about being Iranian.
And personally, I don’t find the idea of velayateh faqih so bad because democracy is stupid (LOL! LEAGUES smarter than a theocracy of course!) and some sort of benevolent monarchy is the only real way to world peace. In that thread you can find some of our discussions if you’re ever desperate to kill time.
But that’s not a point I’m willing to debate or defend with the shit going on now, … if ever. I hope you’re not going to accuse me of supporting the Nazis in Iran for saying that … That’s NOT what I meant. That’s another day, and another cup of coffee.
I understand your reticence about violent change. So does Burke.
Many, like Mousavi, may have had a Saul to Paul experience on the road from Qom to Tehran, but they are still committed to the theocratic structure of IRI.
Democracy is rife with hazards. Theocracy is a hazard.
Enlightened despotism, benevolent monarchy, managed democracy – do you really think these systems are viable correctives to the flaws and pathologies of democracy? (You don’t have to answer if you don’t feel like going into that debate right now. We can reserve it for another, less rowdy time.)
I love that little authoritarian streak in you, though. And no, you’re not going to get mindless knee-jerk reactions like that from me (i.e., calling you a Nazi supporter of IRI, etc).
Cruising through your archives is far from doing violence to my time. You’re a gem.
Sadly, I don’t dig coffee. You wouldn’t have any homemade doogh, would you?
Yes, leave it for another time. I am too baffled right now to speak coherently. But I’m not so convinced that Mousavi no longer SEES the shit he’s helped create. I can’t speak for Mousavi who hasn’t said anything directly, but some of them do see it now and I think they feel responsible – and of course they should!
I “DIG” coffee – LOVE it – not the runny, disgusting kind from Starbucks though. Doogh too, but haven’t had a really good cup in the longest time.